[SkyActiv]

That is a good looking design for the CX-90! Hopefully the real thing looks a lot like this.

 

[LazyGru]

what will the towing capacity be on a cx90? any guesses?

 

[thesjkexperience]

They are projecting a larger engine so I’d guess 3,500 lbs. Maybe more with a package? I preferred the 50 over the 9 I drove a few weeks ago. I can’t believe I’m excited for a vehicle.

 

[electroman]

what will the towing capacity be on a cx90? any guesses?

I believe the CX-60 has a towing capacity of 5500lbs - I'm hoping the CX-70 and CX-90 have the same!

 

[SkyActiv]

I believe the CX-60 has a towing capacity of 5500lbs - I'm hoping the CX-70 and CX-90 have the same!

Hey @electroman welcome to the forum! You're right the CX-60 has a tow rating of 2500 kg (5511 pounds). I can't imagine it being much different with the CX-70 and CX-90, especially if they have a similar powertrain.

2022 Mazda CX-60 video review: International launch

The first in line of many new SUV products from Mazda, the CX-60 holds the weight of the Japanese brand on its shoulders.

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[ASH8]

Will be fantastic, I just wish Mazda did a 6 cylinder years ago.
This release has taken far too long to happen.
Anyone who knows me knows I love this brand for close to 50 years, I have worked, family has owned many brands from Mercedes down and Mazda always is the best long term.
This CX-90 will be very special.

I REALLY HOPE Mazda makes the concept 2 Seat Vision coupe to reality, the rotary engine is dead but put this inline 6 into it and Mazda will have a huge sales winner....just do it MMC.
STOP MUCKING AROUND YOU CAN DO THIS!

 

[SKI!]

I do hope the turbo is continued, which seems likely. I've had a cx-9 which has been great. I live at 9,250 ft elevation. NA vehicles lose 3% per 1000/ft of elevation, which means a normally aspirated vehicle is operating at 72% of performance at sea level here, so most cars that are either moderate or lightly spirited on the coast are very uninspiring in the high mountains. Colorado has paved roads as high as 14,000 feet, which equates to a 42% loss of power in a NA vehicle. A NA six would not perform as good as the current turbo 4 at high elevation. A turbo 6 would definitely be a strong performer and be upmarket to most vehicles in its class.

I like the size of my 9 most of the time, however there are those times when some more space would come in handy, plus the ability to tow more. I do hope the new 90 handles as well or better than the 9. Living in the mountains, I love the twisties, and when I got the 9, I needed a vehicle that could tow, but still be fun to drive. Surprisingly, it handles better than my G-37x coupe. If the 90 handles as well as the 9, I'll get it.

 

[SKI!]

The main option that isn't available now I'd like to see on the 90 is a removable third row, but still have a flat floor with a larger subfloor storage area. I think there are many like me who need the extra space and either never, or seldom use the third row. It would be nice to be able to remove and store them just like what is done in minivans. More room for stuff, and get the weight down low in the vehicle, and provide hidden storage space when the vehicle is parked. It would save on gas and have better handling without the extra weight when the seats are not needed.

Glad to see that adaptive front lighting system is now standard on Carbon, GT and Signature. In the mountains having the lights light up the corners makes it much safer, and even on rural roads on the plains, lighting the area when turning is so much safer. I have a '16 CX-9 Signature, and appreciate that one feature more than anything else it comes with. For a long time only the Signature came with that feature.

The Vision Coupe would be awesome, however Mazda would really need to sell more vehicles to make it make sense. Why Mazda (since they dumped Ford) hasn't taken off a lot more is really a mystery. Great reliability, incredible handling, great looks, upscale well thought-out interiors, and strong performance with their turbo motors across the entire line. The ND2 Miatas have really stepped things up, from a car that was already completely unique and incredible. Mazda is killing it in every way except for sales for some odd reason. I get it with the 9, as most Americans are looking for a larger 3-row, and most buying that class don't really care about handling. Hopefully the CX-90, 70 & 50 really turn it around for Mazda. If so, then fun projects like the Vision coupe, or a 6 wagon that they actually ship to the North American market are much more likely to happen.

EVs are going to be what makes or breaks every existing or new manufacturer in the coming decade. There's going to be major shakeups in the automotive market based on who adapts better. Tesla's biggest worry is Apple. It speaks volumes that they are less worried about existing companies compared to a startup. The next couple decades we will likely see more automotive companies both originate or those that go bankrupt, than in all of automotive history, even the Great Recession when Pontiac, Hummer, Mercury, Scion and Saab all went under with Plymouth and Oldsmobile gone a few years before that.

 

[BES]

I do hope the turbo is continued, which seems likely. I've had a cx-9 which has been great. I live at 9,250 ft elevation. NA vehicles lose 3% per 1000/ft of elevation, which means a normally aspirated vehicle is operating at 72% of performance at sea level here, so most cars that are either moderate or lightly spirited on the coast are very uninspiring in the high mountains. Colorado has paved roads as high as 14,000 feet, which equates to a 42% loss of power in a NA vehicle. A NA six would not perform as good as the current turbo 4 at high elevation. A turbo 6 would definitely be a strong performer and be upmarket to most vehicles in its class.

I like the size of my 9 most of the time, however there are those times when some more space would come in handy, plus the ability to tow more. I do hope the new 90 handles as well or better than the 9. Living in the mountains, I love the twisties, and when I got the 9, I needed a vehicle that could tow, but still be fun to drive. Surprisingly, it handles better than my G-37x coupe. If the 90 handles as well as the 9, I'll get it.

Hey SKI,

Am in Colorado also, but only 7800 ft. My biggest concern with Mazda is the AWD system: No LSD, no AWD lock, does poorly in roller and diagonal tests in snow; How does your 9 do? By the way, your right about the G-37 coupe!

 

[SKI!]

I've always been a fan of dedicated winter tires. Even a front wheel drive car with winter tires will outperform an AWD vehicle with all season tires. I always get a second set of rims to keep the winter tires on as in the long run, as it is much, much cheaper to swap them out rather than reinstall the tires on the rims twice a year. I picked up a set of 19" rims from a Mazda 6. The 20's are a little light on sidewalls for potholes, but I've always thought the 18's look a bit odd, so the 19's are a great compromise. They were in great condition, and if memory serves me right, I think I paid $140 used for the set, which is near exactly what the local ski town tire shops rip you for a seasonal swap out once tax is added on. In 5 years, that's $1400! I just do the swaps myself, as tire shops get so busy when the snow first flys, and I prefer to keep the summers on as long as possible.

When I used to live closer to Costco, they used to do swap out the sets for free, as because they didn't have to remount the tires, it really was a tire rotation, though I'd often have to remind them of that. I think most tire shops would do the same if they include rotations with the sale of the tires, however you would also likely have to point that out. In the long run, it saves a bunch of money, and the tires are just as easy to store being mounted. Better for the tires just to be mounted once, and keeps the summer rims looking much nicer.

I'm no longer the best test of winter tire performance. I used to commute from Idaho Springs to Keystone, over Loveland pass, from 7600' up to 12,000' back down to 10,800', 37.5 twisty miles at well over highway and freeway speeds, first in an old '90 Subaru Legacy wagon, then in a Saabaru 9-2x Aero, a badge-engineered Saab variant of the WRX wagon. While winter performance was really tested those days, these days I'm retired and live 2 miles away from the parking at a ski area on a twisty, hilly, but nearly no elevation gain, 30mph secondary road. Going into town is just 5.5 miles, with one steep half-mile stretch, but again, 30 mph limit with enough traffic that often keeps you within or near limit. Roads are usually pretty well maintained, unlike Loveland pass. So I'm no longer really putting it to the test. Drove it once during a storm in from Banff to Sunshine so it got a little more of a workout. Running Yokohama Iceguard G075 T-rated 255/55R19.

That said, it does great in the snow for my purposes. Never had deeper snow where a LSD would really have been a boom, and the AWD reacts so quickly that a lock would do little to improve traction, yet allows an overall better handling experience when driving in mixed conditions. Sometimes I'll get about a foot or a bit more in the drive and I'll easily drive through it as I plow the drive after I ski. Priorities! As I live on a cul-du-sac, with only a half dozen houses, and it is fairly flat, it tends to be the last thing my municipality plows, so often on larger dumps I'm cutting trail, but it's a fairly flat block.

Crazy long answer, but having been in vastly different snow driving demands, and knowing others do as well, a simple "it does great" hardly tells the story.

 

[SKI!]

Modern performance cars, CUVs, SUVs and trucks have such large tire and wheel combinations, that swapping tires can really be a pain to mount the wheels on the studs. Picked up a self-loading dolly and it really makes it incredibly easy, as it allows you to raise the wheel and rotate it, then simply slide the dolly in. Wish I would have gotten one years ago. Marketed primarily to move entire vehicles around, but I bet most people use it more like I do. It raises at set increments, so I just use the floor jack to nuance the vehicle to the right height.

1300 lb. Capacity Self-Loading Positioning Wheel Dolly

Amazing deals on this 1300Lb Self-Loading Positioning Wheel Dolly at Harbor Freight. Quality tools & low prices.

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[SKI!]

That type is better than hydraulic versions, as I've heard the hydraulics tend to leak, so this is just less maintenance. I have no doubt that it will long outlast me. Rated ten times what I will ever need to lift with it.

 

[BES]

I've always been a fan of dedicated winter tires. Even a front wheel drive car with winter tires will outperform an AWD vehicle with all season tires. I always get a second set of rims to keep the winter tires on as in the long run, as it is much, much cheaper to swap them out rather than reinstall the tires on the rims twice a year. I picked up a set of 19" rims from a Mazda 6. The 20's are a little light on sidewalls for potholes, but I've always thought the 18's look a bit odd, so the 19's are a great compromise. They were in great condition, and if memory serves me right, I think I paid $140 used for the set, which is near exactly what the local ski town tire shops rip you for a seasonal swap out once tax is added on. In 5 years, that's $1400! I just do the swaps myself, as tire shops get so busy when the snow first flys, and I prefer to keep the summers on as long as possible.

When I used to live closer to Costco, they used to do swap out the sets for free, as because they didn't have to remount the tires, it really was a tire rotation, though I'd often have to remind them of that. I think most tire shops would do the same if they include rotations with the sale of the tires, however you would also likely have to point that out. In the long run, it saves a bunch of money, and the tires are just as easy to store being mounted. Better for the tires just to be mounted once, and keeps the summer rims looking much nicer.

I'm no longer the best test of winter tire performance. I used to commute from Idaho Springs to Keystone, over Loveland pass, from 7600' up to 12,000' back down to 10,800', 37.5 twisty miles at well over highway and freeway speeds, first in an old '90 Subaru Legacy wagon, then in a Saabaru 9-2x Aero, a badge-engineered Saab variant of the WRX wagon. While winter performance was really tested those days, these days I'm retired and live 2 miles away from the parking at a ski area on a twisty, hilly, but nearly no elevation gain, 30mph secondary road. Going into town is just 5.5 miles, with one steep half-mile stretch, but again, 30 mph limit with enough traffic that often keeps you within or near limit. Roads are usually pretty well maintained, unlike Loveland pass. So I'm no longer really putting it to the test. Drove it once during a storm in from Banff to Sunshine so it got a little more of a workout. Running Yokohama Iceguard G075 T-rated 255/55R19.

That said, it does great in the snow for my purposes. Never had deeper snow where a LSD would really have been a boom, and the AWD reacts so quickly that a lock would do little to improve traction, yet allows an overall better handling experience when driving in mixed conditions. Sometimes I'll get about a foot or a bit more in the drive and I'll easily drive through it as I plow the drive after I ski. Priorities! As I live on a cul-du-sac, with only a half dozen houses, and it is fairly flat, it tends to be the last thing my municipality plows, so often on larger dumps I'm cutting trail, but it's a fairly flat block.

Crazy long answer, but having been in vastly different snow driving demands, and knowing others do as well, a simple "it does great" hardly tells the story.

My situation is not a lot different than yours. I live outside of Durango in the San Juan mountain range, there is an elevation change of about 1500ft over 20 mi to get to Durango with some moderate hills and, like you, I also get a foot of snow in the driveway. Based on your experience, it looks like the Mazda I-active would be Ok. I would prefer Acura's SH-AWD (or Honda's clone) for left right power distribution in addition to typical front back AWD systems but they don't have a vehicle I like....the Acura MDX is nice but I am not going to spend 60K to get a 20 year old engine design with no electrification! Anyway, I found this description of Mazda's system which says it is not entirely a brake-based system for distributing power, but I can not find any verification.

"The CX-9, utilizing all of the above systems and features, handles remarkably well in the snow. The systems work together to provide the best possible traction in snow and ice conditions. Unlike some other vehicles with AWD and traction control, the Mazda utilizes power distribution instead of braking to achieve control. This increases traction and improves the overall ride"

Any insights on this?

 

[Pradagfd]

The Mazda CX-70 will be announced expected to be available at the end of 2023.. By 2023, Mazda plans to launch five new SUVs worldwide, including the Mazda CX-70.
According to media reports and other sources, it is likely that it will also offered with the same trim configuration as other Mazda Models.
It is expected that the New Mazda CX-70 Price will start at around $33,000 and can reach $50,000.